Commons:Deletion requests/File:Blue Port Hamburg 2014.jpg

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File:Blue Port Hamburg 2014.jpg

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The temporary light installations at Hamburg port by artist Michael Batz are considered a work of art[1] and are, due to their temporary installation, not covered by Germany's freedom-of-panorama exception. Therefore, a permission by the artist is requried or the images need to be deleted.
Last week this case even reached the general public in Germany, as a number of users, who had uploaded such kind of images to Instagram or other social media were confronted with a request to pay a (very moderate) copyright-fee by the public agency, which manages the rights in these works.[2],[3],[4] According to press reports, the artist has now agreed to (automatically) permit non-commercial use of images from his installations [5]. This is, however, of no use for us, as per COM:L also commercial re-use must be permitted.-- Túrelio (talk) 09:44, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The same problem concerns all images in Category:Blue Port Hamburg:

#nothingmoretodo-- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton m 02:07, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Habs oben hinzugefügt. --Túrelio (talk) 07:29, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but I disagree with this request, this light addition, in almost all this photos, seems to be just a illumination choice...
In some cases as: File:Chile House Hamburg (121595023).jpeg, we can simply transform in black white, or match the light sources, and there will be no difference at all.
I see as lack of originality to have a copyright issues, this is too simple to have a copyright status.
However, if we will delete the files presented here, we should also delete all files in this category: Category:Christmas lights in Germany, that in some cases, have an away more complex structure of light design than this.
-- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton m 02:07, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Rodrigo, I didn't file this request out of pleasure. These illumination(s) are a sort of special case (well, not so special when you consider Category:Eiffel Tower at night), as it is — without doubt — considered a work of art and is the work of a publicly known artist. In addition, the artist has publicly claimed copyright in any images of his installations and, so far, I haven't found any refutation of his claim.
What actually needs to be discussed IMO for each of the listed images, is whether the depicted illumination 1) belongs indeed to a "blue port" installation (performed every 2nd year since 2008), and 2) is above de minimis. --Túrelio (talk) 07:01, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Túrelio, I understand that you don't want to do that, however he claiming could be analysed from our point of view.
And we can separate: the ones that could be deleted because the blue light is prominent, we can simply transform in b&w and delete the original from our system, or match the colour.
But again, the Christmas lights are far more complex, and I don't know how to proceed with we will delete this files. -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton m 18:51, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but with File:2017-09-07 HS-Reise Blue-Port 2017 am Athabaskakai (2777).jpg I can see only a lack of originality. The form of the cranes is given, the "artist" did add some light bulbs to the arms of the cranes, finish. This isn't any more creative than mounting street lights in the middle of a street. --Matthiasb (talk) 11:14, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In Analogie zu diesem Urteil [6], das sich auf ein Werk mit Schöpfungshöhe bezieht, das immer nur kurz an einem öffentlichen Ort zu sehen ist, behaupte ich mal, dass ein Werk, dass sich für die gesamte Dauer seines (sehr kurzen) Bestehens an einem öffentlichen Ort befunden hat, und das für die gesamte Dauer seines Bestehens (also dauerhaft) dazu bestimmt war von Personen, die sich auf öffentlichem Grund befinden, begafft zu werden, und aufgrund seiner Größe kaum anders als öffentlich gezeigt werden kann, und dessen einzige Verwendungsmöglichkeit darin besteht, öffentlich gezeigt zu werden, unter FoP in Germany fällt. (ich finde auch nicht, dass es auf Instagram irgendeine "nicht-kommerzielle" Nutzung geben kann. Alle Bilder, die auf Instagram hochgeladen werden, dienen dem Zweck, dass Facebook, die Firma, die Instagram besitzt, durch die Ptäsentation dieser Bilder Gewinne erzielt. Egal wieviel Geld Zuckerberg spendet, Facebook ist eine gewinnorientierte Firma und nicht gemeinnützig.) --C.Suthorn (talk) 16:08, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Deleted, but some  kept. I use my own experience to decide, which photos are de minimis and which are not. The cranes were deleted, because they were not fully lighted and deciding, which parts of cranes to light and which not to is artistic decision. Taivo (talk) 14:56, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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